Understand the Reality of Temptation - Satan's greatest attempt to destroy us today is surrounded by temptations related to immorality. Satan will fail, but there will be casualties. We need to avoid pornography. Bishops can provide help.
Immorality...what a load of bullshit. Besides, why should I believe that a religion which condemns sex but is obsessed with having it as having high moral standards. That makes about as much sense as cutting yourself and jumping into a tank of sharks with the intention or living.
No...not the porno, their heaven forbid that I should see another woman or man naked O_O *gasps* Oh...wait...there's more porn and even child pornography looked at in Utah than most states (don't remember the report but it said something like that). And I'm sorry, but anyone who says they've NEVER looked at porno is full of shit, everyone's looked at least once.
As far as the big bad boogieman Satan goes...how is some fictional character going to corrupt people....though, I guess he's nowhere as bad as either jebus or god. I mean, by a christians standard satan would want people to believe in science, math, archaeology and so forth instead of bowing down to the sky tyrant.
Overall, the only REAL temptation is to actually believe in the tripe that religion feeds the sheeple.
Baaaa
Baaaaaaa
Ooop, someone left open the gate open to the religion pen....and it's about damn time!!!
Now, off to find me some porno!!!
Who I am
- Sakura
- I am an atheist, in fact, I describe myself as a Humanist for I believe in the good in people, not mythical beings.
Saturday, March 27, 2010
Saturday, March 20, 2010
When theists won't stop...
So I recently joined the group De-God Your Money (if it doesn't work, here is the link to copy and paste http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=389916748054&ref=mf or just search for what's highlighted) as it has a very valid point. Within maybe 15 minutes I received a comment on my activity from someone I've known for 20+ years saying "Seriously?" to which I replied "Yeah, why not, it was added illegally to our money".
That seemed the end of it until about 20 minutes later I receive a text from the same person saying "Who have u been talking to to make u think that god isnt real and to de-God everything?" Despite the accusation that someone else affected my thinking I responded simply "I read the bible and that was proof enough".
Almost 30 minutes later I get a string of texts to which I didn't even want to dignify a response:
"That's sad to hear u think that. But ur wrong and being deceived"
"What about the Book of Mormon?"
That first one actually pissed me off. Why? Hmm...to actually accuse me of being wrong and deceived WITHOUT even asking real questions is pretty damn cowardly...sadly, this is standard theist thinking. This is also part of why I didn't dignify a response to it as the only thing I could really say is that he's the one who's being deceived by one book that if someone did ANY of those actions today would be considered a lunatic and be locked up to never see the light of day and the second which was written by a conman who was in trouble with the law for peep-stoning and knowingly took underage wives against their will.
Hmm...just how in the hell am I the one being deceived here.
The other issue here, is that he obviously has issues with himself if he insists on projecting his views on me and insisting that he's right and that I'm wrong...a rather disgusting and unsightly human behavior that god and jebus seem to mimic.
I've known the guy for 20+ years, but, if all he's going to do is be a theist asshole to me when I haven't said a single damn word to him about religion, then I don't need him and I could care less about that. I'd rather have friends that are apathetic to my thoughts and feelings or agree with them, not someone who feels they MUST correct me and make me experience the light of jebus.
=_= well, I'm gonna cut this now cause it's still pissing me off and about all the rest I would do is just type string upon strings of swear words.
Any thoughts anyone?
That seemed the end of it until about 20 minutes later I receive a text from the same person saying "Who have u been talking to to make u think that god isnt real and to de-God everything?" Despite the accusation that someone else affected my thinking I responded simply "I read the bible and that was proof enough".
Almost 30 minutes later I get a string of texts to which I didn't even want to dignify a response:
"That's sad to hear u think that. But ur wrong and being deceived"
"What about the Book of Mormon?"
That first one actually pissed me off. Why? Hmm...to actually accuse me of being wrong and deceived WITHOUT even asking real questions is pretty damn cowardly...sadly, this is standard theist thinking. This is also part of why I didn't dignify a response to it as the only thing I could really say is that he's the one who's being deceived by one book that if someone did ANY of those actions today would be considered a lunatic and be locked up to never see the light of day and the second which was written by a conman who was in trouble with the law for peep-stoning and knowingly took underage wives against their will.
Hmm...just how in the hell am I the one being deceived here.
The other issue here, is that he obviously has issues with himself if he insists on projecting his views on me and insisting that he's right and that I'm wrong...a rather disgusting and unsightly human behavior that god and jebus seem to mimic.
I've known the guy for 20+ years, but, if all he's going to do is be a theist asshole to me when I haven't said a single damn word to him about religion, then I don't need him and I could care less about that. I'd rather have friends that are apathetic to my thoughts and feelings or agree with them, not someone who feels they MUST correct me and make me experience the light of jebus.
=_= well, I'm gonna cut this now cause it's still pissing me off and about all the rest I would do is just type string upon strings of swear words.
Any thoughts anyone?
Friday, March 12, 2010
Missionary work - An assualt on your soul!!!
Yes, I know it's a scary title, but then again missionaries are scary to begin with.
But, today's topic is being covered cause I've ALWAYS had issues with the concept of missionaries. That, and I'm at work and don't have the letter with me about the 10 things to consider.
We've all seen them. Most commonly walking or riding a bike around in their familiar dark suit, white button down shirt and tie or a dress with dark colors and the nametag with either "Elder" or "Sister" engraved into it. They're always carrying a Book of Mormon and are just looking to share the word of go...Joesph Smith. They're always friendly and eager to talk with anyone who is just happening to walk by...unless you are openly LGBT, at which point they avoid you like the plague cause they'll catch your evil gay germs.
Now, on to the truly scary stuff about missionaries from my perspective.
First off, shortly after I turned 18, and before I truly realized who I am, I got called in to the bishop's office. Now, I was already pretty good at knowing what to say to get in and out as fast as possible. I had been in for temple recommends before and just like everyone else, I lied about certain activities to get the recommend. That is a blog post for a another day for the specifics.
When I went in however, I was rather surprised that this time it was to talk about becoming a missionary. Now, having grown up in the church, of course I was taught that I want to be a missionary when I turn 19. "I want to" now THAT's laughable. That's called brainwashing the chitlins people! So, after sitting down and getting the small talk out of the way. The bishop proceeded to ask me questions pertaining to my thoughts on missionary work and if I was getting myself prepared to go on a mission to spread the word of god, jebus and joe smith. I honestly just wanted to go home so I could just change out of the clothes and sit back watching tv (didn't have a computer at that time). I think we were in there for like 30 minutes talking about this ridiculous notion.
After I left this rather annoying meeting, I didn't think any more of it until the following month when I was called in to the bishop's office AGAIN to discuss the exact same damn thing AGAIN. -_- So I got that out of the way in like 15 minutes this time and went home. However, I soon came to find out that this would be a monthly occurrence (hmm...sounds like a period only aggravating instead of painful). This monthly occurrence would continue until I was 22.
During those 4 years, I was given a LOT of information regarding what I would do while being a missionary. I don't have any of that information anymore, but it basically boiled down to talking to people, telling them that if they weren't LDS, then they were evil (talk about intolerance) and to introduce them to the word of go...joe smith. I took one look at that information and went "O_o WTF...". It was some hardcore intolerance bullshit going on there and I didn't want ANY part of that.
That's pretty much when I started to ignore all the missionary crap from the bishop and the church...cause it was obviously evil. Honestly, anyone who really looks at it should be able to see how it is evil like that. This is just a way to tell people that they are wrong and you are right and because of that you're going to hell.
Now, with a little backstory out of the way.
*opens curtain*
On to the missionary circus!!! da-da-da-da-daaaa!!!! Come see the monkeys in suits, they'll entertain you, they'll tell you stories, but if you challenge their ideas they'll snarl and bare their teeth and tell you you're wrong and going to hell!!!
But, in all seriousness, missionary work is more a disservice to humanity. They run around the planet, forcing their ideals on other people. I personally think this is a more destructive activity than ALL the carbon emissions China puts out in an entire decade. Besides, is god and jebus so lonely that they have to have someone else go around telling their story and ask people to listen...or are they just that vain. Me thinks it's both.
Now, when I see them on the street and they are whizzing by on their bikes, I totally ignore them. However, if they're walking by as I'm getting out of my car (which has happened 3 times now), I'll wait to see what they have to say and then promptly ask them why they came over to speak with me. The answer they all gave is that they were directed by the spirit. Of course, as soon as they say that I start to outright laugh (and anyone who's heard me laugh IRL knows it sounds evil a maniacal) and then look at them and ask if they plan to convert me to their religion. This usually catches them off guard but then they IMMEDIATELY jump into their rhetoric and start quoting this and that.
Talk about annoying, so, if I get sick of hearing them, I put on the gayest sounding voice I can possibly do (think Big Gay Al from South Park), look at them and say I'm looking for a good port to give my semen leave, wanna talk later tonight? followed by a wink and they are running for the hills.
But, seeing that there are now countries that have listed mormons as a cult (Denmark), it's obvious they aren't doing anything positive, if they were, they wouldn't have been labeled a cult. Of course, having secret meetings, secret signs...hmm...I don't know, but that screams cult to me. At least the masons try to make good things and not try and spread religiously condoned hatred.
I almost feel like I'm rambling at this point so I'm going to call it good at this point. But, any thoughts on missionaries and what they do?
But, today's topic is being covered cause I've ALWAYS had issues with the concept of missionaries. That, and I'm at work and don't have the letter with me about the 10 things to consider.
We've all seen them. Most commonly walking or riding a bike around in their familiar dark suit, white button down shirt and tie or a dress with dark colors and the nametag with either "Elder" or "Sister" engraved into it. They're always carrying a Book of Mormon and are just looking to share the word of go...Joesph Smith. They're always friendly and eager to talk with anyone who is just happening to walk by...unless you are openly LGBT, at which point they avoid you like the plague cause they'll catch your evil gay germs.
Now, on to the truly scary stuff about missionaries from my perspective.
First off, shortly after I turned 18, and before I truly realized who I am, I got called in to the bishop's office. Now, I was already pretty good at knowing what to say to get in and out as fast as possible. I had been in for temple recommends before and just like everyone else, I lied about certain activities to get the recommend. That is a blog post for a another day for the specifics.
When I went in however, I was rather surprised that this time it was to talk about becoming a missionary. Now, having grown up in the church, of course I was taught that I want to be a missionary when I turn 19. "I want to" now THAT's laughable. That's called brainwashing the chitlins people! So, after sitting down and getting the small talk out of the way. The bishop proceeded to ask me questions pertaining to my thoughts on missionary work and if I was getting myself prepared to go on a mission to spread the word of god, jebus and joe smith. I honestly just wanted to go home so I could just change out of the clothes and sit back watching tv (didn't have a computer at that time). I think we were in there for like 30 minutes talking about this ridiculous notion.
After I left this rather annoying meeting, I didn't think any more of it until the following month when I was called in to the bishop's office AGAIN to discuss the exact same damn thing AGAIN. -_- So I got that out of the way in like 15 minutes this time and went home. However, I soon came to find out that this would be a monthly occurrence (hmm...sounds like a period only aggravating instead of painful). This monthly occurrence would continue until I was 22.
During those 4 years, I was given a LOT of information regarding what I would do while being a missionary. I don't have any of that information anymore, but it basically boiled down to talking to people, telling them that if they weren't LDS, then they were evil (talk about intolerance) and to introduce them to the word of go...joe smith. I took one look at that information and went "O_o WTF...". It was some hardcore intolerance bullshit going on there and I didn't want ANY part of that.
That's pretty much when I started to ignore all the missionary crap from the bishop and the church...cause it was obviously evil. Honestly, anyone who really looks at it should be able to see how it is evil like that. This is just a way to tell people that they are wrong and you are right and because of that you're going to hell.
Now, with a little backstory out of the way.
*opens curtain*
On to the missionary circus!!! da-da-da-da-daaaa!!!! Come see the monkeys in suits, they'll entertain you, they'll tell you stories, but if you challenge their ideas they'll snarl and bare their teeth and tell you you're wrong and going to hell!!!
But, in all seriousness, missionary work is more a disservice to humanity. They run around the planet, forcing their ideals on other people. I personally think this is a more destructive activity than ALL the carbon emissions China puts out in an entire decade. Besides, is god and jebus so lonely that they have to have someone else go around telling their story and ask people to listen...or are they just that vain. Me thinks it's both.
Now, when I see them on the street and they are whizzing by on their bikes, I totally ignore them. However, if they're walking by as I'm getting out of my car (which has happened 3 times now), I'll wait to see what they have to say and then promptly ask them why they came over to speak with me. The answer they all gave is that they were directed by the spirit. Of course, as soon as they say that I start to outright laugh (and anyone who's heard me laugh IRL knows it sounds evil a maniacal) and then look at them and ask if they plan to convert me to their religion. This usually catches them off guard but then they IMMEDIATELY jump into their rhetoric and start quoting this and that.
Talk about annoying, so, if I get sick of hearing them, I put on the gayest sounding voice I can possibly do (think Big Gay Al from South Park), look at them and say I'm looking for a good port to give my semen leave, wanna talk later tonight? followed by a wink and they are running for the hills.
But, seeing that there are now countries that have listed mormons as a cult (Denmark), it's obvious they aren't doing anything positive, if they were, they wouldn't have been labeled a cult. Of course, having secret meetings, secret signs...hmm...I don't know, but that screams cult to me. At least the masons try to make good things and not try and spread religiously condoned hatred.
I almost feel like I'm rambling at this point so I'm going to call it good at this point. But, any thoughts on missionaries and what they do?
Wednesday, March 10, 2010
More MORmON Stupidity
Ok, this is from the same "friend" that sent me that total bullshit cherrypicked thing on why god loves us (and isn't an asshole like the bible says). So, here it is. Again in red as a warning for what you're about to read:
Golden Plates on Display in Bulgaria
The world's oldest multiple-page book — in the lost Etruscan language — has gone on display in Bulgaria 's National History Museum in Sofia . And something about that book has particular interest for Latter-day Saints.
As is evident from the photograph, this book was created on metal plates that are bound together with metal rings similar to the original source documents that became the Book of Mormon.
The small manuscript, which is more than two and a half millennia old, was discovered 60 years ago in a tomb uncovered during digging for a canal along the Strouma River in southwestern Bulgaria . It has now been donated to the museum by its finder, on condition of anonymity.
Reports say the unidentified donor is now 87 years old and lives in Macedonia.The authenticity of the book has been confirmed by two experts in Sofia and London , museum director Bojidar Dimitrov said quoted by AFP. The six sheets are believed to be the oldest comprehensive work involving multiple pages, said Elka Penkova, who heads the museum's archaeological department.
There are around 30 similar pages known in the world, Ms Penkova said, "but they are not linked together in a book".
The Etruscans — one of Europe's most mysterious ancient peoples — are believed to have migrated from Lydia, in modern western Turkey, settling in northern and central Italy nearly 3,000 years ago. They were wiped out by the conquering Romans in the fourth century BC, leaving few written records.
The long debated question about bound metal records existing in the Middle East 2500 years ago as claimed by the Book of Mormon can now be put to rest. Critics should take note and check that item off their list of objections to the authenticity of the Book of Mormon.
Golden Plates on Display in Bulgaria
The world's oldest multiple-page book — in the lost Etruscan language — has gone on display in Bulgaria 's National History Museum in Sofia . And something about that book has particular interest for Latter-day Saints.
As is evident from the photograph, this book was created on metal plates that are bound together with metal rings similar to the original source documents that became the Book of Mormon.
The book dates back to 600 B.C., which is roughly the time that Lehi and his family left Jerusalem .
The small manuscript, which is more than two and a half millennia old, was discovered 60 years ago in a tomb uncovered during digging for a canal along the Strouma River in southwestern Bulgaria . It has now been donated to the museum by its finder, on condition of anonymity.
Reports say the unidentified donor is now 87 years old and lives in Macedonia.The authenticity of the book has been confirmed by two experts in Sofia and London , museum director Bojidar Dimitrov said quoted by AFP. The six sheets are believed to be the oldest comprehensive work involving multiple pages, said Elka Penkova, who heads the museum's archaeological department.
There are around 30 similar pages known in the world, Ms Penkova said, "but they are not linked together in a book".
The Etruscans — one of Europe's most mysterious ancient peoples — are believed to have migrated from Lydia, in modern western Turkey, settling in northern and central Italy nearly 3,000 years ago. They were wiped out by the conquering Romans in the fourth century BC, leaving few written records.
The long debated question about bound metal records existing in the Middle East 2500 years ago as claimed by the Book of Mormon can now be put to rest. Critics should take note and check that item off their list of objections to the authenticity of the Book of Mormon.
XD BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, this has to be THE stupidest claim I've seen MORmON's make so far. Automatically assuming that this is supposed to be THE book of mormon...right, sure, and I'm the pope.
First, as it CLEARLY states at the beginning "The world's oldest multiple-page book — in the lost Etruscan language" Hmm...that's funny how in the hell can this be THE book of mormon if it's in a lost language? Oh, there's the bullshit of the urum and thummim...oh...wait...that was just some damn rocks in a hat. Oddly enough, that's EXACTLY how Joe got his ass in trouble with people back East. Saying that he could locate treasure on their land by putting rocks in a hat and it would guide him to this buried treasure.
...why is it that all religions are started by an outright crook? And then it's followers are so damned blind that they start assuming that stuff like above is proof to the authenticity to an obvious work of fiction.
Well, I had a good laugh from this and I hope anyone else who reads this does as well. It was a great way to end the day.
Sunday, March 7, 2010
10 Items to consider Pt. 7
Recognize Priesthood - Line of Authority - Priesthood authority today can be traced to the Savior through the restoration and Peter, James, and John. The priesthood is God's authority on the earth, given to mankind. We can rely on priesthood authority for help.
Priesthood authority...is that the same authority given to all these old men that are nothing short of pedophiles? Hmm...that's some pretty fucked up authority if that's the case. Is this also the same authority acting after "talking" with god to go and kill entire people including the women, children and cattle? I'm sorry but there's absolutely NO way that I can respect any sort of authority like that.
It's just unbelievable that the MORmON church has the audacity to think that they're above this sort of BS.
On the subject of the whole pedophilia thing: http://www.childpro.org/ldscases.htm Hmm...seems like this is a pretty normal thing with in the church. And it's the priesthood holders who are doing this shit as well. Again...why should I respect their authority?
They're relying on some books that were supposedly written by people who knew Jebus...that include events that happen several years after Jebus died...umm...I can't even take that thought seriously, it really makes me want to literally LOL to the point that I'm either peeing myself or my sides hurt.
Then again, I honestly have a hard time respecting authority of any kind, be it religious or secular (cops and the like). I just don't see how acting like some mindless sheeple and obeying all the crap they feed us makes me a model citizen. A model citizen should be someone who does question authority and finds a way to better themselves and their community. Obviously religion shouldn't be involved with that as religion only serves to disrupt progress and make humans fight.
Priesthood authority...is that the same authority given to all these old men that are nothing short of pedophiles? Hmm...that's some pretty fucked up authority if that's the case. Is this also the same authority acting after "talking" with god to go and kill entire people including the women, children and cattle? I'm sorry but there's absolutely NO way that I can respect any sort of authority like that.
It's just unbelievable that the MORmON church has the audacity to think that they're above this sort of BS.
On the subject of the whole pedophilia thing: http://www.childpro.org/ldscases.htm Hmm...seems like this is a pretty normal thing with in the church. And it's the priesthood holders who are doing this shit as well. Again...why should I respect their authority?
They're relying on some books that were supposedly written by people who knew Jebus...that include events that happen several years after Jebus died...umm...I can't even take that thought seriously, it really makes me want to literally LOL to the point that I'm either peeing myself or my sides hurt.
Then again, I honestly have a hard time respecting authority of any kind, be it religious or secular (cops and the like). I just don't see how acting like some mindless sheeple and obeying all the crap they feed us makes me a model citizen. A model citizen should be someone who does question authority and finds a way to better themselves and their community. Obviously religion shouldn't be involved with that as religion only serves to disrupt progress and make humans fight.
Thursday, March 4, 2010
10 Items to consider Pt. 6
Find Success in our Home - "No success can compensate for failure in the home". Be a peacemaker. Be respectful. Never use inappropriate language in our homes. Have home-evening, family scriptures, and family prayer. Priesthood holders take the lead.
...soo many things about this that are just plain WRONG...where to start.
Be a peacemaker...now just how in the hell is that possible if Jesus himself said that "Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34-36 " Well...gee...I guess death does ultimately bring peace...if one looks at it that way.
Be respectful...ok...honestly...if I had the parents of some kids I knew growing up, I couldn't be respectful to them...oh...wait...I wasn't. Any time I saw them and their parents and their parents would yell at them in public (my own father has done this and no, I don't always respect him (explanation in a bit)), I would just stare at them and ask if it was really necessary to do that in public or at all and that they'd be better off showing love than being angry (guess they did read the bible and how nasty it gets).
As far as my father is concerned, even to this day I do things that defy him and don't show respect. Not that it takes much, but I just have to point out that god is an asshole and jebus is his right hand to fap with to what's happening on earth
As far as the language thing...what if I choose to speak in Japanese, obviously it's not appropriate as neither of my parents speak it. Even then, I don't know a single damn person who has never sworn in their life. And anyone who says they haven't is just full of shit and a damned liar.
Home-evening, scriptures and prayer are all utterly retarded and useless. The home evening thing I guess isn't too bad since they say to do something as a family...even something like a movie. Though, reading the scriptures...if they really did read them, they wouldn't be Christards to begin with. As for the prayer thing, I actually ran across a Youtube video that perfectly explains this totally useless practice:
In case the embed doesn't work for everyone, here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI
As that clearly illustrates, prayer is totally useless and accomplishes nothing. Besides, how arrogant do you have to be to believe that god has a plan and that your pitiful little prayer can be enough to make him change his all knowing abilities....well...I guess they've got a great role model to get that from if you believe in the bible.
Now the last part...priesthood holders take lead...I interpret this as having one meaning "Women are below men as only men can hold the priesthood" Then again, the MORmON church is EXTREMELY sexist in the way it operates. considering at one point it said that a woman's place is at home tending to the kids, mending clothing and preparing food. That was in like the 60's (yes it's changed somewhat, but not a lot). Though, that's more the thinking from like the 1760's. It's horrible and it needs to disappear just like the dodo did. I did find a great article showing the sexism side of mormonism: http://www.exmormon.org/mormwomn.htm
Well...this was a fun one, and a bit of an expose too.
...soo many things about this that are just plain WRONG...where to start.
Be a peacemaker...now just how in the hell is that possible if Jesus himself said that "Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34-36 " Well...gee...I guess death does ultimately bring peace...if one looks at it that way.
Be respectful...ok...honestly...if I had the parents of some kids I knew growing up, I couldn't be respectful to them...oh...wait...I wasn't. Any time I saw them and their parents and their parents would yell at them in public (my own father has done this and no, I don't always respect him (explanation in a bit)), I would just stare at them and ask if it was really necessary to do that in public or at all and that they'd be better off showing love than being angry (guess they did read the bible and how nasty it gets).
As far as my father is concerned, even to this day I do things that defy him and don't show respect. Not that it takes much, but I just have to point out that god is an asshole and jebus is his right hand to fap with to what's happening on earth
As far as the language thing...what if I choose to speak in Japanese, obviously it's not appropriate as neither of my parents speak it. Even then, I don't know a single damn person who has never sworn in their life. And anyone who says they haven't is just full of shit and a damned liar.
Home-evening, scriptures and prayer are all utterly retarded and useless. The home evening thing I guess isn't too bad since they say to do something as a family...even something like a movie. Though, reading the scriptures...if they really did read them, they wouldn't be Christards to begin with. As for the prayer thing, I actually ran across a Youtube video that perfectly explains this totally useless practice:
In case the embed doesn't work for everyone, here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI
As that clearly illustrates, prayer is totally useless and accomplishes nothing. Besides, how arrogant do you have to be to believe that god has a plan and that your pitiful little prayer can be enough to make him change his all knowing abilities....well...I guess they've got a great role model to get that from if you believe in the bible.
Now the last part...priesthood holders take lead...I interpret this as having one meaning "Women are below men as only men can hold the priesthood" Then again, the MORmON church is EXTREMELY sexist in the way it operates. considering at one point it said that a woman's place is at home tending to the kids, mending clothing and preparing food. That was in like the 60's (yes it's changed somewhat, but not a lot). Though, that's more the thinking from like the 1760's. It's horrible and it needs to disappear just like the dodo did. I did find a great article showing the sexism side of mormonism: http://www.exmormon.org/mormwomn.htm
Well...this was a fun one, and a bit of an expose too.
Wednesday, March 3, 2010
Some great religion stupidity
So, I was checking my email and got a letter from a friend who I've known for over 20 years now and has recently gone all super retarded Mormon on me (something that's starting to bug the fucking hell out of me). Here's another example of this stupidity (the following is the exact email I was sent and in read as a warning as extreme religutardness and the stuff in italics is what they directed at me):
I thought about your txt message last month. You said or asked if some one could prove to you that God is all loving as it is said in the Bible? I came across a talk by Elder Dallin H. Oaks that should answer that very question.
I hope this helps. But you need to read the whole talk. You'll see why.
The love of God does not supersede His laws and His commandments, and the effect of God’s laws and commandments does not diminish the purpose and effect of His love.
I have been impressed to speak about God’s love and God’s commandments. My message is that God’s universal and perfect love is shown in all the blessings of His gospel plan, including the fact that His choicest blessings are reserved for those who obey His laws.1 These are eternal principles that should guide parents in their love and teaching of their children.
The next two examples show mortal confusion about the effect of God’s love.
There is no greater evidence of the infinite power and perfection of God’s love than is declared by the Apostle John: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son” (John 3:16). Another Apostle wrote that God “spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all” (Romans 8:32). Think how it must have grieved our Heavenly Father to send His Son to endure incomprehensible suffering for our sins. That is the greatest evidence of His love for each of us!
God’s love for His children is an eternal reality, but why does He love us so much, and why do we desire that love? The answer is found in the relationship between God’s love and His laws.
Some seem to value God’s love because of their hope that His love is so great and so unconditional that it will mercifully excuse them from obeying His laws. In contrast, those who understand God’s plan for His children know that God’s laws are invariable, which is another great evidence of His love for His children. Mercy cannot rob justice,2 and those who obtain mercy are “they who have kept the covenant and observed the commandment” (D&C 54:6).
We read again and again in the Bible and in modern scriptures of God’s anger with the wicked3 and of His acting in His wrath4 against those who violate His laws. How are anger and wrath evidence of His love? Joseph Smith taught that God “institute[d] laws whereby [the spirits that He would send into the world] could have a privilege to advance like himself.”5 God’s love is so perfect that He lovingly requires us to obey His commandments because He knows that only through obedience to His laws can we become perfect, as He is. For this reason, God’s anger and His wrath are not a contradiction of His love but an evidence of His love. Every parent knows that you can love a child totally and completely while still being creatively angry and disappointed at that child’s self-defeating behavior.
The love of God is so universal that His perfect plan bestows many gifts on all of His children, even those who disobey His laws. Mortality is one such gift, bestowed on all who qualified in the War in Heaven.6 Another unconditional gift is the universal resurrection: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive” (1 Corinthians 15:22). Many other mortal gifts are not tied to our personal obedience to law. As Jesus taught, our Heavenly Father “maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust” (Matthew 5:45).
If only we will listen, we can know of God’s love and feel it, even when we are disobedient. A woman recently returned to Church activity gave this description in a sacrament meeting talk: “He has always been there for me, even when I rejected Him. He has always guided me and comforted me with His tender mercies all around me, but I [was] too angry to see and accept incidents and feelings as such.”7
“There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated—
“And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated” (D&C 130:20–21).
This great principle helps us understand the why of many things, like justice and mercy balanced by the Atonement. It also explains why God will not forestall the exercise of agency by His children. Agency—our power to choose—is fundamental to the gospel plan that brings us to earth. God does not intervene to forestall the consequences of some persons’ choices in order to protect the well-being of other persons—even when they kill, injure, or oppress one another—for this would destroy His plan for our eternal progress.8 He will bless us to endure the consequences of others’ choices, but He will not prevent those choices.9
If a person understands the teachings of Jesus, he or she cannot reasonably conclude that our loving Heavenly Father or His divine Son believes that Their love supersedes Their commandments. Consider these examples.
When Jesus began His ministry, His first message was repentance.10
When He exercised loving mercy by not condemning the woman taken in adultery, He nevertheless told her, “Go, and sin no more” (John 8:11).
Jesus taught, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 7:21).
The effect of God’s commandments and laws is not changed to accommodate popular behavior or desires. If anyone thinks that godly or parental love for an individual grants the loved one license to disobey the law, he or she does not understand either love or law. The Lord declared: “That which breaketh a law, and abideth not by law, but seeketh to become a law unto itself, and willeth to abide in sin, and altogether abideth in sin, cannot be sanctified by law, neither by mercy, justice, nor judgment. Therefore, they must remain filthy still” (D&C 88:35).
We read in modern revelation, “All kingdoms have a law given” (D&C 88:36). For example:
“He who is not able to abide the law of a celestial kingdom cannot abide a celestial glory.
“And he who cannot abide the law of a terrestrial kingdom cannot abide a terrestrial glory.
“And he who cannot abide the law of a telestial kingdom cannot abide a telestial glory” (D&C 88:22–24).
In other words, the kingdom of glory to which the Final Judgment assigns us is not determined by love but by the law that God has invoked in His plan to qualify us for eternal life, “the greatest of all the gifts of God” (D&C 14:7).
I hope this was useful. Another thing, something a lot of others have a hard time with. Getting on your knees and asking for your self to God Him self if He is real. You will know within your heart if it is true or not. You are my best friend. I want to end with my own personal testimony. I have knelt down and felt God and his love for me. Never have I ever felt such a love as His love. You are my friend, and what ever I can do to help, I will always be there for you. Thank you as well for all the help you have given me over the years. I haven't said that enough. And I'm sorry. Good luck. :-)
Honestly...this whole "talk" reeks of nothing but mindless belief in something that obviously hasn't been read. How do I know? Well...ANYONE who has actually sat down and read the bible would know that Jesus didn't come to bring peace but came with a sword and the intent to disrupt families and tear them apart. Ultimately what this is, is someone outright cherry picking the bible and only focusing on the feel good crap that goes on, not the whole thing.
My response to this email as follows:
That's a nice talk, however, it cherry picks only the feel good stuff of the bible and doesn't even touch on things that are FAR removed from the human concept of love. Case in point:
I thought about your txt message last month. You said or asked if some one could prove to you that God is all loving as it is said in the Bible? I came across a talk by Elder Dallin H. Oaks that should answer that very question.
I hope this helps. But you need to read the whole talk. You'll see why.
The love of God does not supersede His laws and His commandments, and the effect of God’s laws and commandments does not diminish the purpose and effect of His love.
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I.
I begin with four examples which illustrate some mortal confusion between love and law.- • A young adult in a cohabitation relationship tells grieving parents, “If you really loved me, you would accept me and my partner just like you accept your married children.”
- • A youth reacts to parental commands or pressure by declaring, “If you really loved me, you wouldn’t force me.”
The next two examples show mortal confusion about the effect of God’s love.
- • A person rejects the doctrine that a couple must be married for eternity to enjoy family relationships in the next life, declaring, “If God really loved us, I can’t believe He would separate husbands and wives in this way.”
- • Another person says his faith has been destroyed by the suffering God allows to be inflicted on a person or a race, concluding, “If there was a God who loved us, He wouldn’t let this happen.”
II.
First, consider the love of God, described so meaningfully this morning by President Dieter F. Uchtdorf. “Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?” the Apostle Paul asked. Not tribulation, not persecution, not peril or the sword (see Romans 8:35). “For I am persuaded,” he concluded, “that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, … nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God” (verses 38–39).There is no greater evidence of the infinite power and perfection of God’s love than is declared by the Apostle John: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son” (John 3:16). Another Apostle wrote that God “spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all” (Romans 8:32). Think how it must have grieved our Heavenly Father to send His Son to endure incomprehensible suffering for our sins. That is the greatest evidence of His love for each of us!
God’s love for His children is an eternal reality, but why does He love us so much, and why do we desire that love? The answer is found in the relationship between God’s love and His laws.
Some seem to value God’s love because of their hope that His love is so great and so unconditional that it will mercifully excuse them from obeying His laws. In contrast, those who understand God’s plan for His children know that God’s laws are invariable, which is another great evidence of His love for His children. Mercy cannot rob justice,2 and those who obtain mercy are “they who have kept the covenant and observed the commandment” (D&C 54:6).
We read again and again in the Bible and in modern scriptures of God’s anger with the wicked3 and of His acting in His wrath4 against those who violate His laws. How are anger and wrath evidence of His love? Joseph Smith taught that God “institute[d] laws whereby [the spirits that He would send into the world] could have a privilege to advance like himself.”5 God’s love is so perfect that He lovingly requires us to obey His commandments because He knows that only through obedience to His laws can we become perfect, as He is. For this reason, God’s anger and His wrath are not a contradiction of His love but an evidence of His love. Every parent knows that you can love a child totally and completely while still being creatively angry and disappointed at that child’s self-defeating behavior.
The love of God is so universal that His perfect plan bestows many gifts on all of His children, even those who disobey His laws. Mortality is one such gift, bestowed on all who qualified in the War in Heaven.6 Another unconditional gift is the universal resurrection: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive” (1 Corinthians 15:22). Many other mortal gifts are not tied to our personal obedience to law. As Jesus taught, our Heavenly Father “maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust” (Matthew 5:45).
If only we will listen, we can know of God’s love and feel it, even when we are disobedient. A woman recently returned to Church activity gave this description in a sacrament meeting talk: “He has always been there for me, even when I rejected Him. He has always guided me and comforted me with His tender mercies all around me, but I [was] too angry to see and accept incidents and feelings as such.”7
III.
God’s choicest blessings are clearly contingent upon obedience to God’s laws and commandments. The key teaching is from modern revelation:“There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated—
“And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated” (D&C 130:20–21).
This great principle helps us understand the why of many things, like justice and mercy balanced by the Atonement. It also explains why God will not forestall the exercise of agency by His children. Agency—our power to choose—is fundamental to the gospel plan that brings us to earth. God does not intervene to forestall the consequences of some persons’ choices in order to protect the well-being of other persons—even when they kill, injure, or oppress one another—for this would destroy His plan for our eternal progress.8 He will bless us to endure the consequences of others’ choices, but He will not prevent those choices.9
If a person understands the teachings of Jesus, he or she cannot reasonably conclude that our loving Heavenly Father or His divine Son believes that Their love supersedes Their commandments. Consider these examples.
When Jesus began His ministry, His first message was repentance.10
When He exercised loving mercy by not condemning the woman taken in adultery, He nevertheless told her, “Go, and sin no more” (John 8:11).
Jesus taught, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 7:21).
The effect of God’s commandments and laws is not changed to accommodate popular behavior or desires. If anyone thinks that godly or parental love for an individual grants the loved one license to disobey the law, he or she does not understand either love or law. The Lord declared: “That which breaketh a law, and abideth not by law, but seeketh to become a law unto itself, and willeth to abide in sin, and altogether abideth in sin, cannot be sanctified by law, neither by mercy, justice, nor judgment. Therefore, they must remain filthy still” (D&C 88:35).
We read in modern revelation, “All kingdoms have a law given” (D&C 88:36). For example:
“He who is not able to abide the law of a celestial kingdom cannot abide a celestial glory.
“And he who cannot abide the law of a terrestrial kingdom cannot abide a terrestrial glory.
“And he who cannot abide the law of a telestial kingdom cannot abide a telestial glory” (D&C 88:22–24).
In other words, the kingdom of glory to which the Final Judgment assigns us is not determined by love but by the law that God has invoked in His plan to qualify us for eternal life, “the greatest of all the gifts of God” (D&C 14:7).
I hope this was useful. Another thing, something a lot of others have a hard time with. Getting on your knees and asking for your self to God Him self if He is real. You will know within your heart if it is true or not. You are my best friend. I want to end with my own personal testimony. I have knelt down and felt God and his love for me. Never have I ever felt such a love as His love. You are my friend, and what ever I can do to help, I will always be there for you. Thank you as well for all the help you have given me over the years. I haven't said that enough. And I'm sorry. Good luck. :-)
Honestly...this whole "talk" reeks of nothing but mindless belief in something that obviously hasn't been read. How do I know? Well...ANYONE who has actually sat down and read the bible would know that Jesus didn't come to bring peace but came with a sword and the intent to disrupt families and tear them apart. Ultimately what this is, is someone outright cherry picking the bible and only focusing on the feel good crap that goes on, not the whole thing.
My response to this email as follows:
That's a nice talk, however, it cherry picks only the feel good stuff of the bible and doesn't even touch on things that are FAR removed from the human concept of love. Case in point:
- Matthew 10:34
- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
- Revelation 19:11
- And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
- Those two verses alone show that Jesus is not about Love but War. To see for yourself, read through the bi9ble, cover to cover and see exactly how vile and disgusting God/Jesus are.
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