George Washington's ghost?

So I got into a debate with my dad last night (though I'm sure if my sister were there she would've called it an argument) mostly about religious beliefs.

It started with me commenting on this pic http://www.mcnaughtonart.com/artwork/view_zoom/?artpiece_id=353 . In particular the part on the professor "He tightly holds his "Origins of Species" book by Charles Darwin. This represent the liberal lefts control of our educational system." ...the liberal lefts control? The fuck! Liberal left control my ass, public school in this country (K-12) is neither conservative or liberal, it's exactly what we've allowed it to degrade to.

However, it was from that, that my dad made the comment that this nation was founded on Christian beliefs. =_= So, I had to explain some things.

I started off by simply saying that NOWHERE in either the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence does it mention God either directly or indirectly, all it says is the first amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". That's the freedom of religion, that people can/not believe what they want and the government will not recognize one over the other (no thanks to the bullshit of McCarthism in the 50's "In God We Trust" my ass). He of course had to IMMEDIATELY try to refute that saying yes it was. My simple reply "show me where it says in either document the word God directly or indirectly".

He had no reply to that...instead he decided to take a different...and rather absurd route.

He picked up a book he had on the table next to him "65 Signs of the Times Leading Up to the Second Coming" written by David J Ridges. He started to go off saying how he's written about interpreting all the crap that's in revelations in the bible. I responded by saying how all that stuff has happened multiple times since the book was supposedly written (personally I liken the book of revelations to that of a 5 cent fortune telling machine). His only response "no, it's happening now". Hmm...interesting...I don't recall anything being in there, either literally or euphemistically, about the decline of the dollar, an "attack" by Islamic extremists, the US going to war (illegally I might add) with another country, the socialization of our health care. But he wouldn't say what exactly it was that the book said is happening now.

 Since he obviously couldn't win that point, he went on to an even more absurd point. Apparently David writes in the book the the spirits of the founding fathers of this country came to one of the presidents of the LDS church asking 1) Why things were happening and 2) if they could be baptised into the church. =_=* Ok...this is the thing that fucking irritates the outright living hell out of me with the LDS church. Fucking baptisms for the dead...WHAT THE FUCK!!! Personally, if I'm dead, don't you DARE make the decision to baptise me into some bullshit cult (as defined by Belgium). So to say that they came to him asking that is just completely fucking STUPID!

I asked him for the witnesses to this event as that's how EVERYTHING in the LDS church works...he had no answer and couldn't find it in the book. Hmm...sounds like this book is as bad as Ray Comfort's version of the Origin of Species.

After that he kept just saying how all the stuff in revelations is going to happen, and that George Washington and ensemble came to the president and all this. Basically he took the standard Christian approach: When you're confronted with facts that you're wrong, just keep repeating what is wrong until it's fact. Too bad that tactic doesn't work for me.

He finally just stopped talking about it after trying to mention some random stuff out of the book of mormon and the bible. Though, each time he did, I quoted what was said in each book and pointed out some other fallacies about it. The one that really got him is when I mentioned that Paul wrote that Jesus would be coming back BEFORE Paul died...hmm...we're at...what...about 1900-1950 years past that? Yeah, I think that was another bullshit prophecy from someone who was probably huffing donkey piss and wanted something to fap to sleep to.

But, that's more or less the end of that little episode...not that he'll change, but I'll keep presenting the evidence...especially when he makes idiotic statements like "Origin of Species is nothing but a big fairytale" (hence where one of my quotes came from). How he hasn't figured out I'm an atheist...I guess shouldn't be too surprising, he's not the sharpest crayon in the box...and the box is missing it's sharpener.