Cross case in Utah being dragged out...

To start off, if you hadn't heard, American Atheists sued the state of Utah for allowing the Utah Highway Patrol Association to but giant roman crosses (they look like lower case t's) in spots where Utah Highway Patrolmen have lost their lives in the line of duty. The initial ruling was that the crosses are allowed, but the appeals court said they are a violation of the separation clause in the first amendment as the cross is a sectarian symbol. Well, here in good old crazy religious fucknut Utah we have a state rep named Carl Wimmer who wants to pass a state law allowing the crosses to be on the public land...despite the appeals court saying they're illegal and the Supreme Court won't take the case.

So I posted the recent news article on my Facebook page regarding Wimmer's asinine obsession of pushing this illegal AND costly law into Utah law. http://www.heraldextra.com/news/opinion/signals-crossed-on-crosses/article_053a63c8-5673-5360-b6c6-007df392771a.html This is the website of the newspaper for the cities around the mormon university...a.k.a. BYU. The author obviously skewed this for the poll off to the left to get people to say to leave the eye sores. But when I posted this to Facebook, this is what I included in my post:

I love the absolute stupidity this author spews, case in point: "That a few hyper-anti-religionists can succeed at removing what has become a purely secular symbol from our roadsides only adds another layer of tragedy to the deaths of troopers who died while protecting us." 

Really? if it's a secular symbol that means that EVERY church who uses it is now in violation on the first amendment, specifically the separation of church and state. 

As for the poll, you should vote with "Erect alternative memorials" cause the cross IS a sectarian symbol and who in their right mind wants to be memorialized with a torture device?

What follows is a couple of exchanges from my friend that I've mentioned on my blog before and his wife. He will be identified with Red text, she will be identified with Blue text and my replies will be in Green.

First reply: Thats like saying people cant publicly wear a cross around their neck. Its their family's memorial, if you dont like it dont look at it.

Wife dose have a good point. Beside, there are much more worse things to be worrying about in this Country besides why 14 memorial crosses shouldn't have been erected. Why do you focus so much on things like this? Why focus on such things at all? OK, so you don't believe in God, that's fine. No one is forcing "YOU" to believe in anything. Arguing about things like this is just a waist of time. Not to mention all it dose is cause heated feuds between people. :-)


However, it's on public land, what a person wears on them is their own business but seeing that there is ONLY the roman cross on public land is what makes it a violation. Besides, as I said at the end of my original point, why would you want to use a torture device as a memorial, that's just morbid

Wow THEYR DEAD. The family has lost a loved one in a bad way. Maybe you should get over your self. i'm sorry to be rude but i take this very insulting that you care more about you being "Offended" over a cross than the familys heart ach. Dont add to thier pain even more. I mean whats most important here???


Morbid maybe. But to some, it is a sacred symbol. :-)>


I'm not saying they shouldn't be honored, I've never once said that, what I'm saying is the state should have realized what this is costing them by not overseeing the UHPA and making sure they chose an all inclusive memorial. And they could very easily fix it where it would be more of a memorial than an issue, put up a replica bad that you can see driving by at 65mph where you see the state seal and the trooper's information, there, problem fixed AND they're being honored without all the legal litigation.


*replica badge not bad, stupid typos (I tend to do this on Facebook too often...I hate typos -_-)

True. But this is how society is. I understand where you are coming from tho. lol I think unless it directly involves you, I wouldn't dwell on such topics. :-)>


The reason for separation of church and state is the same reason we came to the Americas. So we are free to worship as we so choose or in your case, not to worship. Not for you to take away religion. Whats more important, you being offended or adding to a family's heart ache because they cant have a proper memorial for their loved one as they so choose??? Dont you think you are taking this a little too far? You looking at a cross doesnt force you to believe anything. You might as well say they cant have a cross on his tombstone because its in your eyesight. Or churches cant have a cross where people can see it. That cross is not hurting anyone so why should you?


It doesn't force me to believe anything, however, it IS a christian symbol and it is the ONLY religious symbol on government owned land which is an endorsement of said religion. The UHPA won't put up any other symbols which isn't allowed by the First Amendment. Again, I'm not saying they shouldn't be honored, they should for the sacrifices that they did, but what the UHPA did by putting up ONLY the cross is what was illegal in their actions, if they had actually met with proper legal counsel before moving forward with that decision they wouldn't be met with lawsuits right now. Even then, the point of the article I posted here is how Carl Wimmer wants to waste tax payer money defending what the courts have already said to take down, so at this point he is trying to push religion onto public land by doing so.


First off, you'll notice some second rate apologetics going on here from his wife, particularly the "its not hurting anyone" bullshit line. My last reply there was 3 hours ago so I'm not expecting a reply until later today. It's obvious neither of them understand the issue here and are just trying to do the "if I ignore it, it will go away" line of thinking.

Now, what I want to know is if any of what I said seemed out of line? Cause honestly it came off that his wife was accusing me of something I sure as hell didn't do. Any thoughts? Please leave a comment.

Articles of faith...or stupidity part 13

We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.


Ok, I can't really overly condemn this one as it compels members to be good people. I will however say that doing all these good acts in the name of pleasing a deity so you can gain a place in "heaven" is both disgusting and also shows a great deal of selfishness. If you have to do good to impress the sky pixy so that way you can have a better spot, there is NOTHING altruistic about this, you are simply doing good for your own benefit, that's all.

Now, if one of the believers could look me straight in the eye, and tell me they do good things SIMPLY to do good things...I'd call them a liar. There is no way that someone who believes in the myth of jebus would do this.

Articles of faith...or stupidity part 12

We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.


...I think this one is pretty straightforward in that the language is clear "obey the law of the land"


However!! *dun dun dun* I rarely hear any members practicing this article.


What I mean is, I CONSTANTLY hear members railing against laws they don't like that are perfectly fine for the entire populace. Especially lately with the whole "homosexual agenda" bullshit that they keep pushing. Basically they bitch about anything that gives equality to anyone who isn't exactly like them.


Honestly, its nothing short of disgusting what they'll do to keep repressing the rights of others. For example, the Prop 8 thing in California...that was total bullshit and because of how much of an involvement the mormons had in it, they should be taxed as a political entity including back taxes owed since inception. Maybe this will prove a point to the rest of the religious community that you do NOT fuck with politics.

Pastor Mike wants YOU to "enlist"

This started when someone linked to The Freethinker UK on Facebook to this story http://freethinker.co.uk/2011/08/29/mad-pastors-facebook-presence-vanishes-after-he-proposes-a-register-for-atheists/

Hmm...so this pastor wants to have a national atheist registry. Ok, fair enough, however I want a registry for EVERYONE religion in this country...all the different hundreds of them out there while they're at it (including whatever flavor Mike subscribes to)

Now, down in the comments someone had linked to Mike's blog on Blogspot as well. Apparently he got his panties in a twist and had to respond on his blog here http://pastorstahl.blogspot.com/2011/08/atheists-arent-ashamed-of-being.html

I don't know which he is more...funny...or just stupid.

Take this for example: "I'll take the 'blame' for them just now cathing up to it , as perhaps I used too many syllables for their brains to process at a normal pace , huh?" Hmm...quite the near Ad Hominem attack against an entire freaking group of people...that's pretty low...especially after surveys have shown that atheists are smarter than those who subscribe to a religion (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2111174/Intelligent-people-less-likely-to-believe-in-God.html)

And here's another example: "lack of belief is really an attempt by atheists to avoid facing and defending the problems in their atheistic position." WE don't need to defend our position, we got to our "lack of faith" after reading and examining their scriptures and determined that its all a bunch of bullshit. However, I can take this for a 180 and put the burden of proof on him in that HE should be the one ready to provide evidence that his sky tyrant and jebus actually exist. And no, the buybull does NOT count as that is just a collection of fairytales told to little children to scare the ever living shit out of them.

This one really gives me a giggle: "Y'all may not LITERALLY be "demons," but y'all are certainly under Satan's demonic control!" Hmm...it's REALLY hard to be under the control of something that doesn't exist...I might as well say that I'm under control of ganesha or zeus or thor or any of the MANY gods/goddesses that have existed through the ages. So, I can say that he is under the control of those who came before him and preached the same bullshit as he professes to believe in now (and its called brainwashing for those that want an easy word to describe it).

Ooooh, this one makes me chortle with laughter! "And NO! I won't post any comments and / or dignify them with people who REFUSE to want to know the truth of God's Word ( NOT MINE! )." Oh-ho, we finally get to the meat of the situation. In case you're wondering, someone over on the freethinker posted this to which Mike replied "You won't post the comment I sent nor any others unfavorable to your preaching. Dare you post those you chose to omit. Afraid?" So, he says he's not "afraid" of any atheist but won't let anyone post any sort of comment that contradicts his own belief...yeah...that's not just stupid but shows he's TOTALLY afraid of what someone smarter than he could say (and easily discount his beliefs as well)

Oooh, and a jem of a finale as well!! "- They'll hide behind the security blanket of their keyboards...being atheists in their PUBLIC blogs...someone like me mention putting their names on a PUBLIC registry...they whine like little school girls" Hmm...might want to be careful with that one Mike, usually people make fun of people calling them names (such as this) when they're only trying to hide that of themselves...or maybe your like a catholic priest and just haven't had anyone publicly come out about you yet (I can't say for certain).

I just find it funny when christards have to get on a blog and bitch and whine and moan like this. Its obvious they're scared of something (the truth about their fairytale lies told them as a child) and don't want to have to deal with the inevitable that they're doing nothing but wasting their only life which exists here and now instead of having fun and helping their fellow human beings as a true humanist would.

(all quotes taken verbatim from Mike's blog, all emphasis are his for the quotes)

Adults...or kids?

Mormons and Water

So a friend sent me this picture: http://macromeme.com/dog/adventure-mormon.html

I had to laugh and tell them it would suck if he fell in as all the waters are the realm of Satan. Yes, that's what they believe, and when someone is on their mission, they are specifically FORBIDDEN from getting into any sort of water save the bathtub/shower as Satan will force them to do something bad.

They started laughing like CRAZY at this and immediately responded "No wonder people skinny dip, Satan is controlling them and making them do that!!"

I had to laugh like crazy when they said that. But, at the same time, I do agree, it sounds absolutely ridiculous that Satan controls something that covers 2/3 of the planet.

But, that's about it for this little bit of random mormon ridiculousness

"Heroes" of the buybull

So I was in a store the other day (only cause my mom wanted to get a gift for my dad's birthday), this store sells all bullshit that is MORmON related. I was looking around, seeing all the same old moronic bullshit when I came across this stand for some posters (pic is 1920x2560 and 701kb, for anyone on a slow connection, here's a smaller 750x1000 version).

Granted that its hard to see who some of these "heroes" are but, just the fact that the stand is billed as such...I damn near literally laughed out loud in the middle of this store. XD I think what makes it even more funny is how they included the word "real" at the top to push that point.

...I need to write on a sticky note "please provide proof of any of these being 'real' outside of your fairy tale book called the bible" and check on it off and on...like ANY of them could really provide proof that these people really existed. Especially where the first one is supposed to be Joseph who was in Egypt...when there's NO mention of this in Egyptian history. I just love how they wouldn't be able to provide any proof of the main events that happen in the buybull either.

But, there you go, something to laugh at this Tuesday morning.